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Ken Nisbet
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Hi All
My talk is on the 15th October at 19.30 at the Augustine Church Hall on George IV Bridge Edinburgh, its on the same side of the street as the National Library and you can park in Chambers Street opposite the National Museum of Scotland. The Greyfriars Pub does decent Bar Meals and is about 5 minutes walk away
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Adam Brown Curator
Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 7312 Location: Edinburgh (From Sutherland)
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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Ken
Have they missed a name from this memorial?
If you search on the SNWM database for 22/05/1915 it gives 271 names. Most of them are 7th Royal Scots. It includes this chap:
Surname GARRIE
Firstname George
Service Number 1328
Date Death 22/05/1915
Decoration
Place of birth Leith
Other 7th Bn.
SNWM roll THE ROYAL SCOTS (LOTHIAN REGIMENT)
Rank Pte
Theatre of death Home.
If you look him up in the CWGC database it gives these details:
Name: GARRIE
Initials: G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots
Unit Text: 7th Bn.
Age: 20
Date of Death: 22/05/1915
Service No: 1328
Additional information: Son of David and Ann Garrie, of 30, Thorntree St., Leith, Edinburgh. Born at Leith, Edinburgh.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Cemetery: EDINBURGH (ROSEBANK) CEMETERY
He's not got a seperate grave reference which means he's buried in the mass grave going by other entries for 7th Royal Scots who died on 22/05/1915 but I can't find his name listed on the memorial.
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Adam Brown Curator
Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 7312 Location: Edinburgh (From Sutherland)
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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Alphabetical list of those listed on the Gretna Rail Crash Memorial, Rosebank
ADAMS , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
ALLAN , William , Sergeant , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
ALLAN , Thomas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
ALLISON , Samuel , Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
ANDERSON , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
ANDERSON , James , Sergeant , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
ANGUS , Robert , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
ANGUS , David R , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
ARCHIBALD , David , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
ARNOULD , Thomas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
AULD , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BAILLIE , Andrew Forest , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BAILLIE , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BALLANTYNE , John Williamson , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BARNET , Thomas W , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BARNETT , Thomas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BARRETT , William N , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BATEY , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BATTEN , Francis , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BAXTER , Archibald Scott , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BELL , Andrew M , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BELLMANN , George , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BIRD , Peter , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BIRD , Alfred James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BISSETT , William Thomson , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BLACKWOOD , William R T , Drummer , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BLAIR , James Allan , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BLAIR , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BONNAR , Charles , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BORTHWICK , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BRASS , John , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BREMNER , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BROOKSHAW , Frederick , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BROWN , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BROWN , Andrew , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BROWN , George , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BRUCE , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BRUNTON , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BURKE , Robert Mowbray Douglas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BURNET , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
BURNETT , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
CAIRNS , Henry S , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
CAIRNS , Archibald , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
CAMPBELL , Andrew , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
CAMPBELL , Peter , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
CARLIN , Richard , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
CARTER , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
CLARK , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
CLARK , Alexander , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
COLVILLE , Arthur Balfour , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
COMBE , Lister S , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
COOK , James , Private , 8th Bn Highland Light Infantry attd 1/7th Royal Scots
CRANSTON , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
CUMMING , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
CUNNINGHAM , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
DALGLELSH , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
DALLAS , Albert James Proudfoot , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
DAWSON , Robert , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
DICK , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
DOUGHERTY , Thomas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
DUFF , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
DUFF , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
DUGDALE , Robert C , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
EDMOND , Thomas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
FALCONER , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
FINLAYSON , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
FLETT , William , Lance Sergeant , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
FORRESTER , Jospeh , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
FRASER , Robert Rodger , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
FREW , Daniel Mcnair , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
FYFE , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
GAFFNEY , Michael , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
GEAR , James , Sergeant , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
GIBB , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
GIBSON , Alexander Scott , Sergeant , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
GLENNIE , Alexander , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
GOODWIN , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
GRADY , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
GRANT , Alexander , Drummer , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
HADDEN , Sydney Alexander , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
HAMILTON , James Dundas Lawrie , Major , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
HAMILTON , Thomas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
HAMILTON , Archibald , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
HAMPSON , Percy S , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
HANNAH , James F , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
HANNAN , William Heddle , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
HART , Hugh , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
HAY , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
HENRY , Lawrence , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots ,aka Laurence Hendry
HENRY , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
HERD , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
HOGG , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
HOLLERIN , James W , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
HOULISTON , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
HUNTER , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
HUTCHEON , William Orr , Sergeant , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
INGLIS , John , Drummer , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
JACK , David , Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
JOHNSTON , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
KEIR , Andrew , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
KERR , Michael , Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
KERR , Napoleon Bonaparte , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
KING , Thomas Wright , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
LAING , William Hewitt , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
LAING , Daniel , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
LANG , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
LECKIE , Robert , Private , 8th Bn Highland Light Infantry attd 1/7th Royal Scots
LITTLE , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
LOVE , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
LUNNY , George M , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MAIN , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MAIN , Charles , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MALONE , John , Bugler , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MARR , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MASON , Archibald , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MATHER , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MAXWELL , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MAY , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MELVILLE , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MENNAMAN , William Imrie , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MIGHTEN , Walter , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MILTON , William Drummond , Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MITCHELL , John Monfries , Captain , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MORAN , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MORGAN , Edward Henderson , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MUIR , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MURRAY , Andrew , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MURRAY , Thomas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MURRAY , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MACAULAY , George Douglas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MACAULAY , Henry Gray , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
McDIARMID , David , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
McDIARMID , George Alexander , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MacDONALD , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
McDONALD , Henry , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
McEWAN , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
McINTYRE , Alexander Brydon , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MacKAY , George , Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
McKAY , Alexander , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
McLAUGHLAN , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
McLEAN , David , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MacNAMARA , Donald , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
MacPHERSON , Charles , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
McSHERRY , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
McSORLEY , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
NAIRN , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
NEILANDS , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots . An alias, real name Patrick Shields
NICHOLSON , Robert , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
NICOL , Alexander , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
NIVEN , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
ORMISTON , Thomas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
ORR , Charles , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
PARK , William Forbes , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
PATERSON , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
PEACE , David , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
PETERS , David John , Lance Sergeant , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
PETTIGREW , William Millar , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
PONTON , Alexander , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
PORTEOUS , Donald , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
PURVES , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
RAMSAY , Robert , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
RENWICK , Robert Duncan , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
RITCHIE , David , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
RITCHIE , Peter , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
ROBERTSON , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
ROBERTSON , David , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
ROSS , Duncan , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
SALVESEN , Christian Raymond , Lieutenant , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
SCHUMACHER , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
SCOTT , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
SCOTT , Duncan , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
SCOTT , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
SHAW , George , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
SHIELDS , Patrick , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots , commemorated on memorial as John Neilands
SIME , Robert Hill , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
SIME , James Spalding , Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
SIMPSON , George R , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
SIMPSON , Walter A , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
SINGER , Thomas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
SKIDMORE , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
SMART , Robert Pringle , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
SMEATON , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
SMITH , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
SMITH , Peter , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
SMITH , Thomas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
SOMERVILLE , Alexander George , Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
SPENCE , Archibald , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
STEVENSON , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
STEWART , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
STEWART , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
STEWART , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
STORIE , George , Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
SUMMERS , Arthur George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
SUTTIE , John , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
SUTTIE , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
SWAN , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
SYMONS , James , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
THOMSON , Adam Smith , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
TINLIN , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
TINSDALE , Ames , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
TURNBULL , Adam S , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
VASS , John , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
WALKER , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
WEST , William Turnbull , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
WHITE , Alexander , Lance Corporal , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
WHITE , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
WHITE , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
WIGHTMAN , Daniel , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
WILKIE , Robert , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
WILLIAMSON , William , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
WILLIAMSON , Andrew , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
WILLIAMSON , Thomas , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
WILSON , Thomas Inglis , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
WILSON , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
YOUNG , Andrew , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots
7th Royal Scots man who died in crash but is listed on the memorial under a different name
SHIELDS , Patrick , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots , commemorated on memorial as John Neilands
7th Royal Scots man who died in crash but is not listed on the memorial
GARRIE , George , Private , 1/7th Bn Royal Scots |
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dhubthaigh Our first ever 1000-poster
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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I've followed with interest the development of this thread. I know mistakes are made, especially in the maelstrom and confusion of the various Fronts.
However it seems very strange that George Garrie is missing from this memorial. |
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apanderson Administrator
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Just to let anyone know who's following this thread, I've now posted a photo of the Quintinshill Rail Disaster Plaque situated in Larbert Railway Station. Unfortunately there are no names on the plaque.
(Regimental & Unit Memorials, Stirlingshire)
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Ken Nisbet
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: George Garrie |
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Hi Adam
Sorry for delay in replying I was in Nairn on holiday. I can confirm George Garrie should be on the memorial at Rosebank
his death certficate was No174 (Gretna District)registered by the battalion adjutant on 23rd November 1915 his was one of 13 soldiers deaths registered on that date. As he has a Scottish death certificate it would indicate he died in the train crash and not in hospital
He was aged 20 a shoemaker by occupation residing at 30 Thorntree Street Leith, son of David Garrie Cabinetmaker and Ann Garrie ms Findlay
why he was missed off I don't know perhaps his relatives objected
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dhubthaigh Our first ever 1000-poster
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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ROBERT BATEY
Private No. 1852, 1/7th (Leith Territorial) Battn. Royal Scots, yr. s. of Edward Batey, of 22 Ryehill Gardens, Leith, Linotype Operator, by his wife, Christina Allen, dau. of Thomas Morrisson; b. Walworth S.E., 7 Jan 1897; educ. at Parson's Green School, Edinburgh, and Broughton Higher Grade School, Edinburgh; enlisted on the outbreak of War, 31 Aug. 1914, and was killed in the railway accident near Gretna on 22 May, 1915; unm. He was buried in Rosebank Cemetery, Edinburgh.
Name: BATEY, ROBERT
Initials: R
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots
Unit Text: "B" Coy. 7th Bn.
Age: 18
Date of Death: 22/05/1915
Service No: 1852
Additional information: Son of Edward and Christina Batey, of 22, Ryehill Gardens, Leith, Edinburgh.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Cemetery: EDINBURGH (ROSEBANK) CEMETERY |
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spoons
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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I came across a booklet in the library 'A Handful of Dust' by William Cross. It has 8 pages on the disaster including a full nominal roll. It would be a breach of copyright to put it all here but if anyone would like the scans, just PM me.
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DerekR Moderator
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Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Name: KERR, NAPOLEON BONAPARTE
Initials: N B
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots
Unit Text: 7th Bn.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 22/05/1915
Service No: 1184
Additional information: Son of John and Margret Kerr, of 10, Parsons Green Terrace, Edinburgh. Born at Edinburgh.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Cemetery: EDINBURGH (ROSEBANK) CEMETERY _________________
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anne park Our first ever 2000 poster
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 10:03 am Post subject: William F Park |
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Park William Forbes Pte 1582 7th Royal Scots b St Nicholas Aberdeen e Leith r Edinburgh Age 20 Died Home 22-May-15 Son of James & Margaret Park, 42 Prince Albert Buildings, Edinburgh.Born St Nicholas 168/1 No 317. Died in train disaster on route to Gallipoli crash at Quintshill near Gretna. 1901 Census Newtonton 685/5 26/11/72 79 Pleasance: Father Occ: Tailor. B Aberdeen. Births 1894 St Nicholas 168/1 Entry 317. Edinburgh (Rosebank) Cemetery U. K. Edinburgh (Rosebank) Cemetery |
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Adam Brown Curator
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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I contacted the CWGC yesterday about Private George Garrie's lack of grave marker.
I got a reply back today. They were aware of the ommission and have plans to erect a headstone in the cemetery in the near future.
Adam |
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Adam Brown Curator
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Many thanks to Andrew Grant for supplying the following photograph of Private Garrie's new marker stone. It's the stone on the right.
Here is the same spot a couple of years ago
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Adam Brown Curator
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:21 am Post subject: |
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This plaque is at the entrance to the cemetery.
Adam |
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gourdongirl
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Re: the above photo of the plaque at the entrance of Rosebank Cemetery. They have the year wrong, it should be 1915 not 1916. |
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Caroline
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Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:15 am Post subject: |
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One of the crosses (the far left one) has come adrift of the wall and fallen forwards. It's unbroken, though. CWGC and Edinburgh Council have been notified and its re-erection is planned. |
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