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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:58 pm    Post subject: Dumfries St Josephs College - Chapel Reply with quote

Dumfries - St Josephs College WW1

UKNIWM Ref: 44258

OS Map Ref: NX 979 756

One of the largest of memorials, it is the whole of the chapel and it includes a roll of honour within it. You might think that this should be listed under church memorials, but I feel it belongs here under schools because the chapel itself is a memorial to the pupils of the school.
Please note that there are other war memorials contained within the chapel and these are listed separately.








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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

St Josephs college was founded by the Marist Brothers (religious order).
"In 1852 the Brothers first came to London and opened schools in the poor districts of the East End. In 1858 they came to Glasgow and started St. Mungo's Academy. Over the years primary schools followed, St. Mungo's in the Townhead, St. Patrick's in Anderston, St. Mary's and St. Alphonsus in the Calton, Sacred Heart in Bridgeton. Schools were also opened in Dumfries, Dundee, Wolverhampton, Jarrow, and Ireland."

This explains why the chapel contains WW1 and WW2 memorials for St Marys School Glasgow and St Chads College Wolverhampton (all separately listed). Presumably St Marys and St Chads have now closed and they thought that the chapel was a good place to put the memorials even though they are now a long way from the School/College.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WWI ROLL OF HONOUR:

SGT MAJ NORMAN MacWHINNIE MC MM KOSB
SGT LEONARD YATES
SGT ALEXANDER MacDONALD 1ST CAN DIV
PTE ALEXANDER ROXBURGH NZR
PTE JOHN McWILLIAMS 5TH CAN DIV
PTE WILLIAM McALLESTER GLASGOW HIGHLANDERS
PTE THOMAS PATTERSON
PTE JAMES G BYRNE KLR
LT MAURICE HUDDLESTON DLI
LT GUY C WOOD WG
PTE JOHN COPPLE
LT JOHN J HAGGARTY NF
PTE WILLIAM FLYNN IF
PTE JOHN TURNER
LT RANDAL McSWEENEY HLI
PTE JOHN H SEGAR 1ST BORDER REGT
PTE JOHN HETHERINGTON SCOTS RIFLES
LT JOSEPH HARTE ROYAL SCOTS
SUB LT GEORGE MOULD RNVR
LT JOHN H OGDEN ROYAL N LANCS
PTE ARCHIBALD ALLAN MACH GUN C
PTE ARTHUR EWEN 10TH BATT WELSH REGT
PTE JAMES KEMP GLASGOW HIGHLANDERS
PTE WILLIAM McGARLAND 1ST CAN DIV
PTE JAMES SHERIDAN ROY IRISH REGT
LT HENRY DOYLE 2/9 MANCHESTER
CPL ROBERT CONSTANTINE HLI
PTE JOSEPH WILSON 8TH YORKS
LT EDWARD DURNAN Y & L REGT
PTE JOSEPH MORGAN ASC
TROOPER FRANCIS McDONALD GLASGOW YEO
LT DOUGLAS WOODMAN RAF
LT PATRICK DUFFY RAF
CAPT WILLIAM EWEN ROYAL W KENT REGT
LT EDWARD BYRNE 4TH GORDONS
LT R COAPE-ARNOLD RAF
LT CUTHBERT A MARSH RAF
CAPT FRANCIS McCALLION MC SH
CAPT THOMAS DUFFY
PTE THOMAS McMENEMY RGA
LT NINIAN McLACHLAN AUST FORCE
PTE HAROLD JAMES ASC
SGT MAJ FRED R CAMPBELL 5TH CAN BATT
LT LIONEL HEVENINGHAM RFA
TROOPER GEORGE C WEST LAN YEO
LT JOHN L HAYES KLR
LT FRANCIS KILROE HLI
LT VICTOR WEBER RAF
OPER JAMES MacKINTOSH RAF
CAPT JOSEPH DUFFY RAMC
LT LOUIS SANS 26TH INFANTRY REGT
SGT ALEXr LANGIER 11TH ALPINES
LT HENRY DUFFELL MANCHESTER REGT
LT LEONARD CHORLEY KINGS L’POOL REGT
PTE MARTIN BOLES 1ST ROYAL SCOTS
LT ETIENNE MORIVAL
RICHARD RICHARDSON

57 names

not sure about a couple of those regiments - are 26th Infantry Regt and 11th Alpines US units do you think? And who might Lt Etienne Morival have been? No sign on CWGC or SNWM but even if he was French or Belgian and attended this school, he should still have appeared on SNWM.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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are 26th Infantry Regt and 11th Alpines US units do you think?


I think they are both French units. (The French Alpine troops wore dark blue uniforms and massive berets). Along with Lt Morival who doesn't have a unit listed but sounds French that gives potentially three Frenchmen on the list. Perhaps they were teachers?

There is quite a mix of English Welsh, Irish and Imperial units in that list as well.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was a catholic college and I believe it took some boarders so that makes sense.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The picture at the centre of this memorial is called 'The Great Sacrifice' and was also used in the memorial at St Margaret's Episcopal Church, New Galloway.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:31 pm    Post subject: St Joseph's Reply with quote

There was an Etienne Morival killed 1917 at Meurtre et Moselle.
Think we should take up the offer from Sec of FP's and get information on the names. (see WW2 post)
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The following information provided by member SJCPPA

Captain Frank Mungo McCallion MC

It is difficult to know when Frank McCallion attended the school, as prior to 1915 the School Year Book did not contain a School Roll.

What we know about him is that he joined the 4/Seaforth Highlanders and, while a 2nd Lieutenant, was awarded the MC for taking out a machine-gun nest, on a raid on the Somme. From The Edinburgh Gazette 28/08/1916 " For conspicuous gallantry during a raid on the enemy's trenches. He led his platoon with great dash,personally destroying an enemy machine-gun which could not be removed and, although wounded, stuck to his command".

The wound must have been fairly serious as he would not re-join his battalion until April 1918. In the meatime he visited the school twice, the latter time being at the Annual Reunion at Easter 1918. His leg was sufficiently healed to allow him to play in the Annual Pasts v Presents Football match (which is still played).

He was killed on 20/07/1918 at the Second Battle of the Marne. He is buried Marfaux Military Cemetery (IV.A.9). His family are adamant that, though the Commonwealth War Graves Commission have him listed as a Lieutenant he was promoted to Captain shortly before he returned to his battalion.

Private James Sheridan.

His father had died, but his mother was Mrs. Catherine Sheridan of "Tonnelier," 48, Crosbie St., Maryhill, Glasgow.
When he left school he became an analytical chemist in Glasgow then went to Spain to work, then to The British Gold Coast in Africa (now Ghana). When the War broke out in 1914 he joined the Colonial Volunteer Force but fell ill with malaria and had to be sent home for treatment. When he was well again he joined the Army, in April 1915, in The Royal Dublin Fusiliers. In November 1915 he was wounded in both legs and spent time in hospital. When discharged from hospital the Army tranferred him to another Irish regiment the Royal Irish Regiment. In 1916 he was again wounded, this time in the shoulder. While recovering in hospital he wrote to the school to tell them of his adventures. The next year, on Thursday 16th August 1917, he was killed at Ypres (Paschaendale) He has no known grave. He is one of the names on the tablets at the back of Tyne Cot Cemetery (Panel 51/52). When the school visit Tyne Cot they usually leave a Poppy Cross at the tablet bearing his name.

Edward Durnan

The following is taken from the Sheffield Independent of 22nd October, 1917 :-

“SHEFFIELD OFFICER FALLS IN ACTION - The news will be received with regret amongst a wide circle of friends in Sheffield that SEC.-LIEUT. EDWARD DURNAN, of the Yorks. And Lancs. Regiment, was killed in action on 15th October. Deceased was the son of Mr and Mrs Thomas Durnan, of Grove Road, and prior to joining up was on the staff of the London City and Midland Bank, Sheffield. The outstanding fact of his short career was that he was one of the gallant young Englishmen who volunteered in August, 1914, in response to their country’s call. He did not apply for a commission, but “won through” on the battlefield. He served through the Gallipoli campaign, and was advanced to sergeant; then, after serving some time in Egypt, he went to France. From there he was sent home on leave, having been given a commission, and returned to service about July last. Lieu. Durnan was of a very cheerful and generous disposition, was great favourite, and had the power of infusing his cheerful optimism into others.”
Educated at St. Joseph's Commercial College 1905-1911. Parents Thomas and Charlotte Durnan, of Worsboro' House, 43, Grove Rd., Millhouses, Sheffield. Father was Company Secretary of a firm manufacturing barbers' chairs. Edward had an elder brother and three sisters, one of whom was educated, as a boarder, at the Benedictine Convent in Dumfries. Another sister was educated at a convent in Louvain. in Belgium. His father was decorated by Albert, King of the Belgians for his service to Belgian refugees.
It is most likely that he originally joined one of the Sheffield "Pals" Battalions but on being commissioned joined 14/Yorks. & Lancs. (2nd Barnsley Pals). Edward Durnan’s battalion had moved up to the village of Roclincourt, on the Somme, in July 1917 and from there went into the trenches. On the day of his death, the British front-line in the area came under heavy German artillery fire which was the prelude to an infantry attack, which was beaten back. It must be assumed, therefore, that he was either killed in the shelling or in the infantry battle which followed it. He is buried in the Commonwealth War Graves Cemetery at Roclincourt Military Cemetery (I.E.1.

Anne, my wife, who is president of our Association, goes each year with the school's history department to the WWI Battlefields. Last March (2008) they arranged to visit Edward Durnan's grave at Roclincourt. There they laid a wreath on behalf of the school. Unexpectedly, in July 2008, I had the chance to go to the battlefields and, while on the Somme visited Roclincourt. In October we were contacted by Andrew Tasker, great nephew of the deceased, who had seen the wreath on the grave when he visited in early July. We subsequently met up with him and gave him information and class photos of Edward as well as a photo of him in uniform, which the family did not possess.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Further information provided by member SJCPPA

RSM MacWhinnie, Norman Henry DCM, MC, , NO. 5177, 2/KOSB. only son of James Tait MacWhinnie, of Ayr, Marine Engineer, by his wife, Elizabeth (14 St. Michael's Street, Dumfries), daughter of the late John Carruthers, of Maxwell bank, Kirkcudbrightshire.

Born on 9/08/1877, he was educated at St. Joseph’s Commercial College, Dumfries. He subsequently entered the office of Charles McKie, the Sheriff Clerk. He attached himself to the Dumfries Volunteers and, as soon as he had reached the age of 18, joined the 1st Btn of the KOSB at York 22/01/1895, being promoted Corporal in October the following year.

During the South African War he accompanied his Regt. to the Front and served with Lord Roberts' column all the way to Pretoria, passing through the campaign without a scratch and receiving the Queen's Medal with three clasps, and the King's Medal with two clasps; he also took part in the engagement at Karee Siding, near Bloemfontein, in which the Borderers were badly cut up, and for this gained the DCM.

In January 1900 he became a Sergeant and in the following year Colour-Sergeant. He married at the Roman Catholic Chapel, Belfast 28/04/1904, Caroline Christina, daughter of William Hart, Ist Class Staff Sergeant-Major ASC and had a son and a daughter; Norman b. Cairo 29/01/1908 and Elizabeth Madge b. Colchester 1/12/190B While stationed at Cairo in 1908 he became Quarter-Master Sergeant, having in the meantime seen service in Egypt and the Sudan; his final promotion came when he left Khartoum to take up the Sergeant-Majorship of 2/KOSB at Berwick in 1910. On the outbreak of the War he was offered a commission, but preferred to stay with his Regiment, with which he proceeded to the Front, going into action on the 23rd of August 1914.

He was killed in action at the Aisne River, 13/09/1914. From The KOSB In The Great War by Captain Stair Gillon; “The night’s rest at Serches was brief. The battalion had to be up betimes to support the RWK in an attempt to cross the Aisne and continue the pursuit (of the German forces).The march was over the upland north, through Ciry towards Sermoise down in the valley. But further progress could not be made. The greater part of the fine sunny day they sheltered in fields, behind haystacks and other cover, or later in the cellars of Sermoise , listening to the artillery duel or working off arrears of sleep and oblivious of the fact that one stray shell had “found” the transport behind and killed two invaluable warriors, QM Murray and RSM MacWhinnie. The transport had halted near the crest of the road to Sermoise to let the cavalry ambulances pass. As bad luck would have it, the spot was visible to the enemy gunners or it was a chance hit. ‘ There were 6 feet 5 inches of MacWhinnie, and every inch was good’ says Dolbey, and with justice. Quiet, competent and efficient, he was a serious loss”.

He was buried about 2 miles from Saarcy, in Vailly British Cemetery (I.H.29) RSM MacWhinnie was also mentioned in Field Marshal Sir John French's Despatch of 9/10/1914 and was awarded the MC and the French Medaille Militaire; he also held the regulation medal for long service and good conduct and King George's Coronation medal.

Note: An article in The Scotsman reported the award of the French Legion of Honour to the son of the chauffeur at Dalswinton Estate and stated that “this follows on from the award of the same honour to RSM MacWhinnie, son of Mrs. MacWhinnie of St. Michael’s Street Post Office, Dumfries”. To date I have not been able to substantiate this.

Neither have I been able to ascertain how it was that he was awarded the MC. The Edinburgh and London Gazettes merely list all those awarded the decoration retrospectively on its institution in January 1915. The KOSB, in Berwick, have no information on this either. I may go back to them , in the near future, now I know more about the DCM he won in the Boer War. What did this man do in those three weeks of Late August/early September to be so decorated? No doubt, had he been an officer, and a member of the landed gentry or the aristocracy, it would be easy to find out.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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RSM MacWhinnie, Norman Henry DCM, MC,


MACWHINNIE, NORMAN HENRY
Rank: Regimental Serjeant Major
Regiment/Service: King's Own Scottish Borderers
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Age: 37
Date of Death: 13/09/1914
Service No: 5177
Awards: M C, D C M, Mentioned in Despatches
Additional information: Medaille Militaire (France). Son of James Tait Macwhinnie and Elizabeth Carruthers Macwhinnie; husband of Caroline Christine Macwhinnie, of 38, Harcourt St., Cliftonville, Belfast. Born at Dumfries.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. H. 29.
Cemetery: VAILLY BRITISH CEMETERY

If this man died in September 1914 how was he awarded the Military Cross? I thought it was introduced in late 1914 and it wasn't issued posthumously until fairly recently.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first Military Cross to be awarded postumously was in 1980 so he must have been recommended for the award in respect of an event prior to his death. The award was not formally instituted until January 1915 but there where a handful, including MacWhinnie who are noted as (deceased) in the London Gazette so there was obviously quite some time elapsed before the intention was announced and the formal award was instituted.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Photos from SJCPPA

Firstly Norman MacWhinnie


Next
Name: McCALLION
Initials: F M
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: Seaforth Highlanders
Unit Text: 4th Bn.
Date of Death: 20/07/1918
Awards: M C
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: IV. A. 9.
Cemetery: MARFAUX BRITISH CEMETERY



and finally
Name: DURNAN, EDWARD
Initials: E
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Second Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: York and Lancaster Regiment
Unit Text: 14th Bn.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 16/10/1917
Additional information: Son of Thomas and Charlotte Durnan, of Worsboro' House, 43, Grove Rd., Millhouses, Sheffield.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. E. 18.
Cemetery: ROCLINCOURT MILITARY CEMETERY

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:55 pm    Post subject: Capt Frank McCallion Reply with quote

Thanks to all for this research.
I am family of the above (great-nephew, to be precise, and also a former pupil of SJC) and yes, the family is both adamant and confident that Frank McCallion was promoted to Captain before he was killed in action. When the promotion occured is not certain; some have said that it was before he died but not notified until after. However, I understand that the Army notes him as Captain, not Lieutenant.
There is an additional reference to him at Glasgow University: http://www.archives.gla.ac.uk/honour/record.php?id=383&type=a&o=2, which records him as Captain. It has a clearer photo, of him as a younger man. The Dumbarton Memorial also records him as Captain. http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=643

I think the photo above shows him with the rank of Lieutenant, judging by his collar decoration. So sad, either way. Not just him but all the boys in the Great War.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam Brown wrote:
spoons wrote:
RSM MacWhinnie, Norman Henry DCM, MC,


MACWHINNIE, NORMAN HENRY
Rank: Regimental Serjeant Major
Regiment/Service: King's Own Scottish Borderers
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Age: 37
Date of Death: 13/09/1914
Service No: 5177
Awards: M C, D C M, Mentioned in Despatches
Additional information: Medaille Militaire (France). Son of James Tait Macwhinnie and Elizabeth Carruthers Macwhinnie; husband of Caroline Christine Macwhinnie, of 38, Harcourt St., Cliftonville, Belfast. Born at Dumfries.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. H. 29.
Cemetery: VAILLY BRITISH CEMETERY

If this man died in September 1914 how was he awarded the Military Cross? I thought it was introduced in late 1914 and it wasn't issued posthumously until fairly recently.

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Bit of a confusing this one. I've been looking at the Boer War DCM awards to the KOSB, and while there is an award to a Macwhinnie, it's to a Sergeant A MacWhinnie, number 5177. I've checked the initials against a couple of sources, and it's confirmed as A, not N H.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only think I can think is that A represents a known name or nickname. In the same regiment and with the same number, it has to be the same man.

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