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spoons
Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 4991 Location: St John's Town of Dalry
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject: Eaglesfield (Bowling Club) |
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This is listed by UKNIWM as Eaglesfield Bowling Club and originally appeared on the forum list as such. I have listed it under civic memorials as it seems from the text that this is the civic memorial for the area. There is certainly no other civic memorial in the village although it is possible that there are unlisted memorial(s) inside the church (there are none outside).
UKNIWM 44121.
The memorial is inside the bowling club which is down an unmarked track off the B722, the turning is a few yards from the church on the opposite side of the road towards the M74. When I visited, the bowling club was shut but I managed to get this photo through the window.
OS Map Ref: NY 232 744
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spoons
Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 4991 Location: St John's Town of Dalry
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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WW1 Names
ROBERT ARMSTRONG
R LOUIS I ARNOTT
GEORGE BELL
ALEXANDER P BELL
ROBERT CARLYLE
THOMAS J CARLYLE
WILLIAM R CHALMERS
JAMES COCHRANE
ROBERT CRAIK
JOHN DAVIDSON
ARCHIE DOWNIE
JAMES GRAHAM
WALTER GRAHAM
GEORGE HINSELWOOD
ALAN IRVING
JAMES M KERR
WILLIAM LAIDLAW
GEORGE LAWSON
JAMES C LOCKERBIE
WILLAIM MARTINDALE
GEORGE H J MIDDLEMISS
JAMES MITCHELL
THOMAS MORRIN
JOHN MUNDLE
PETER MURDOCH
WALTER MURDOCH
WILLIAM MURDOCH
WILLIAM E McKINNELL
THOMAS McLELLAN
ANDREW McCRACKEN
JAMES NELSON
ROBERT PALMER
DAVID G PATTERSON
WILLIAM B PORTEOUS
ROBERT PORTEOUS
ROBERT RAE
JAMES RILEY
SAMUEL C ROGERSON
JAMES SHANNON
WILLIAM J SINCLAIR
JOHN TEASDALE
JOHN THOMSON
GORDON THOMSON
ROBERT C WALLACE
CHARLES WAUGH
ANDREW G WILSON |
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Adam Brown Curator
Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 7312 Location: Edinburgh (From Sutherland)
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: Eaglesfield (Bowling Club) |
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spoons wrote: | I managed to get this photo through the window.
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Well done for getting this memorial Spoons. Luckily for us they clean their windows!
The inscription doesn't mention the club and does mention it is for Eaglesfield & District so I take it this is the civic memorial as you say.
Regards
Adam |
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dhubthaigh Our first ever 1000-poster
Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 5071 Location: Blairgowrie, Perthshire
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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There must be a story of some kind here.
If I'm 'googling' correctly it suggests Eaglesfield is in Middlebie Parish?
The Middlebie Paish Memorial is in Middlebie Parish Church (UKNIWM 44202).
I see this one has been raised specifically be the Ex-Servicemen. Would it have been originally located elsewhere and moved to the bowling club or did the bowling club exist as something else previously (Ex-Servicemens club)?
Its a handsome memorial and hats off to spoons for the pic.
I also see a variation in the spelling of John Mundle;
Name: MUNDELL, JOHN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: King's Own Scottish Borderers
Unit Text: 7th/8th Bn.
Age: 32
Date of Death: 09/04/1917
Service No: 40225
Additional information: Son of Mrs. G. White, of Eaglesfield, Lockerbie, Dumfriesshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Bay 6.
Memorial: ARRAS MEMORIAL |
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spoons
Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 4991 Location: St John's Town of Dalry
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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Well there is actually a church in Eaglesfield, but perhaps it used to be an Episcopal church or somesuch. I have not 'collected' Middlebie church yet but UKNIWM describes the memorials there as Parish memorials, so perhaps many of those listed here did not worship in the Church of Scotland? In any case, there is no religious reference on this memorial at all so perhaps the locals thought their comrades would not be properly commemorated in a village where they did not live and in a church where they did not worship? Perhaps I will find more when I get to Middlebie. |
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dhubthaigh Our first ever 1000-poster
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Aye, agreed I know there were many different ideas on how best to raise memorials in commemoration.
I have found that sometimes a particular church would erect the actual parish memorial (not a reference to a church parish and everyone regardless of religious denomination would be recorded).
I noticed a piece in an old newspaper only recently where a man had taken the war memorial committee to court for the return of his money. Initially he had been told the war memorial would be tablets within the church only finding out kater that it was to be a public monument and if that was the case he didi not want his sons name on it. I think the minister actuall resigned from the committee over the situation.
I do still think thie Eaglesfield Memorial was somewhere else originally though. |
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dhubthaigh Our first ever 1000-poster
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Adam Brown Curator
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:12 am Post subject: |
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dhubthaigh wrote: | Initially he had been told the war memorial would be tablets within the church only finding out later that it was to be a public monument and if that was the case he did not want his sons name on it. |
A very strange situation.
It also crossed my mind that the bowling club might have been an ex-serviceman's club but there is no reference to any club on the memorial.
Adam |
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dhubthaigh Our first ever 1000-poster
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:54 am Post subject: |
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Perhaps a member of the bowling club could shed light on this. |
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spoons
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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I found a phone number on the web, will try and make a call later in the week |
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spoons
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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I have just received a couple of emails from the current Minister of Eaglesfield church and his explanations go someway to understanding why this memorial was placed in the bowling club, which was the only public building in Eaglesfield at the time.
"I should point out that the war memorial for Eaglesfield is in the Bowling Club there being no church there at the time to receive it."
I then asked why they did not simply add the names to the church in Middlebie and got the following reply..........
"Further to your comments about the names etc.on the memorial in the bowling club. There always was a mission church in Eaglesfield and there has always been a certain amount of polarisation between the two villages over matters such as this."
So, I reckon that the locals had a problem. Split the comrades who died with some names in the Eaglesfield and others in Middlebie depending on their religions, or keep them together in a compromise location in Eaglesfield. |
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spoons
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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Most of these names appear on either the Middlebie or Kirtle church memorials. |
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Adam Brown Curator
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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The following names appear on the Springkell Estate Memorial. All match names on the Eaglesfield memorial (and give rank, unit and date of death) except one. There is no David George Bell but there is a George Bell. The same man?
Tpr William B Porteous
C Sgt Lanarkshire Yeomanry 27 Dec 1915
Lce Copl James C Lockerbie
1/5 KOSB 13 Augt 1916
Pte David George Bell
7/8 KOSB 31 Jul 1917
Lce Sergt George H J Middlemiss
1st Bn Scots Guards 10 Oct 1917
Pte Archie Downie
9th Royal Scots 12 April 1918
Pte William Murdoch
2/3 Bn Suffolk Regt 24 May 1918
Pte Peter Murdoch
1/5 KOSB 29 July 1918
Pte Walter Murdoch
1/5 KOSB 2 Aug 1918
Lce Corp James Graham
6th KOSB 1 Oct 1918
Pte James Mitchell
Royal Scots Fusiliers 19 Nov 1918
Private Bell's details
BELL, DAVID GEORGE
Initials: D G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: King's Own Scottish Borderers
Unit Text: 7th/8th Bn.
Age: 39
Date of Death: 31/07/1917
Service No: 29548
Additional information: Son of John and Margaret F. Bell, of Raeburnfoot, Gretna, Dumfriesshire; husband of May McDonald Bell, of "Leny House," Muthill, Perthshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 22.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL |
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Adam Brown Curator
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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The rest of the identified names from the Springkell Estate memorial
PORTEOUS, William B
Initials: W B
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Lanarkshire Yeomanry
Date of Death: 27/12/1915
Service No: 2225
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: III. D. 18.
Cemetery: PINK FARM CEMETERY, HELLES
LOCKERBIE, JAMES COULTER
Initials: J C
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lance Corporal
Regiment/Service: King's Own Scottish Borderers
Unit Text: 8th Bn. (not 1/5th Bn as listed)
Age: 19
Date of Death: 13/08/1916
Service No: 18474
Additional information: Son of the late Mary A. Lockerbie, and of James Lockerbie (stepfather), of Thornwell, Springkell, Eaglesfield, Lockerbie, Dumfriesshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Pier and Face 4 A and 4 D.
Memorial: THIEPVAL MEMORIAL
MIDDLEMISS, GEORGE HENRY JAMES
Initials: G H J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lance Serjeant
Regiment/Service: Scots Guards
Unit Text: 1st Bn.
Age: 26
Date of Death: 10/10/1917
Service No: 10149
Additional information: Son of George Middlemiss, of Springkell, Eaglesfield, Lockerbie, Dumfriesshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: VII. C. 42.
Cemetery: MENDINGHEM MILITARY CEMETERY
DOWNIE, ARCHIE
Initials: A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Scots
Unit Text: 9th Bn.
Age: 18
Date of Death: 12/04/1918
Service No: 44355
Additional information: Son of John and Maggie Downie, of Beech Cottage, Eaglesfield, Lockerbie.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 1.
Memorial: PLOEGSTEERT MEMORIAL
MURDOCH, William
Initials: W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Suffolk Regiment
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Date of Death: 24/05/1918
Service No: 44161
Additional information: Grandson of David Murdoch, of Blenkins, Eaglesfield, Lockerbie, Dumfries.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. K. 11.
Cemetery: SANDPITS BRITISH CEMETERY, FOUQUEREUIL
MURDOCH, Peter
Initials: P
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: King's Own Scottish Borderers
Unit Text: 1st/5th Bn.
Age: 25
Date of Death: 29/07/1918
Service No: 240224
Additional information: Son of Agnes Young, of Ashyards Gate, Eaglesfield, Lockerbie.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: IIA. C. 1.
Cemetery: RAPERIE BRITISH CEMETERY, VILLEMONTOIRE
MURDOCH, Walter
Initials: W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: King's Own Scottish Borderers
Unit Text: 1st/5th Bn.
Age: 26
Date of Death: 02/08/1918
Service No: 240435
Additional information: Grandson of David Murdoch, of Blenkins, Eaglesfield, Lockerbie, Dumfriesshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Q. III. C. 6.
Cemetery: ST. SEVER CEMETERY EXTENSION, ROUEN
GRAHAM, JAMES
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lance Corporal
Regiment/Service: King's Own Scottish Borderers
Unit Text: 6th Bn.
Date of Death: 30/09/1918 (1st October 1918 on memorial)
Service No: 31375
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 66 to 68.
Memorial: TYNE COT MEMORIAL |
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Kenneth Morrison
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WILLIAM E. McKINNELL
William Ewart McKinnell – age 27 – Lance Corporal (1014) 1/5th Battalion, King's Own Scottish Borderers.
William was a gamekeeper at Burnfoot Hall, Ecclefechan, Dumfriesshire when he enlisted. He landed with his battalion at Gallipoli in June 1915.
Born 1888 at Maxwelltown, Troqueer, Kirkcudbrightshire. Son of William and Catherine Crichton (Ewart) McKinnell of Glasgow Street, Maxwelltown and of New Abbey, Kirkcudbrightshire. His next of kin was his sister Mrs. Mary Gemmel of New Abbey.
(Source: D&G Standard 7/8/1915 p. 4 & 27/9/1916 p.3 and Army Registers of Soldiers effects)
Missing in Action on 12 July 1915 and named on the Helles Memorial, Gallipoli, Turkey.
Also named on the New Abbey Parish War Memorial. _________________ Ken |
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